Europa qazaqtarynyn  Kishi qúryltayy biyl Londonda ótti

Taghdyr aidap barghan talay qandasymyz әlemning 40-tan astam memleketinde túrmys keship jatyr. Europanyng on shaqty elinde 12-15 myng qazaq túrady. Sondaghy aghayyndardyng bir jerge basyn qosyp, sanauly kýn bolsa da atajúrtta jýrgendey sezimge bóleytin Europa qazaqtarynyng Kishi qúryltayy biyl túmandy Alibionda ótti.

Sonymen, әlemnin  әr túsyna taryday shashyraghan qandastarymyzdy úiytyp otyrghan Dýniyejýzi qazaqtary qauymdastyghy Tóraghasynyng birinshi orynbasary Talghat MAMAShEVPEN әngimelesip, Europadaghy bauyrlardyng atajúrtqa  amanattaghan dúghay-dúghay sәlemin tyndadyq.

- Talghat Asylúly, qarjylyq daghdarysqa qaramastan, Europadaghy qazaqtar Londonda toghysty. Qazirgi ahual qúryltaydy ótkizuge kedergi bolghan joq pa?

- Europa qazaqtarynyng 9-shy mәrte úiymdastyrylghan dәstýrli Kishi qúryl­tayyn biyl Úlybritaniya astanasynda ótkizuge qol jetkizdik. Álemdi jaylaghan ekonomikalyq qiynshylyqtargha baylanysty týrli pikirler boldy. Biraq, biz jyldaghyday ýlken delegasiya emes, shaghyn toppen barghany­myz jón shyghar degen úigharymgha kelgenbiz.

Europa qazaqtarynyn  Kishi qúryltayy biyl Londonda ótti

Taghdyr aidap barghan talay qandasymyz әlemning 40-tan astam memleketinde túrmys keship jatyr. Europanyng on shaqty elinde 12-15 myng qazaq túrady. Sondaghy aghayyndardyng bir jerge basyn qosyp, sanauly kýn bolsa da atajúrtta jýrgendey sezimge bóleytin Europa qazaqtarynyng Kishi qúryltayy biyl túmandy Alibionda ótti.

Sonymen, әlemnin  әr túsyna taryday shashyraghan qandastarymyzdy úiytyp otyrghan Dýniyejýzi qazaqtary qauymdastyghy Tóraghasynyng birinshi orynbasary Talghat MAMAShEVPEN әngimelesip, Europadaghy bauyrlardyng atajúrtqa  amanattaghan dúghay-dúghay sәlemin tyndadyq.

- Talghat Asylúly, qarjylyq daghdarysqa qaramastan, Europadaghy qazaqtar Londonda toghysty. Qazirgi ahual qúryltaydy ótkizuge kedergi bolghan joq pa?

- Europa qazaqtarynyng 9-shy mәrte úiymdastyrylghan dәstýrli Kishi qúryl­tayyn biyl Úlybritaniya astanasynda ótkizuge qol jetkizdik. Álemdi jaylaghan ekonomikalyq qiynshylyqtargha baylanysty týrli pikirler boldy. Biraq, biz jyldaghyday ýlken delegasiya emes, shaghyn toppen barghany­myz jón shyghar degen úigharymgha kelgenbiz.

Londondaghy Kishi qúryltay oidaghyday ótti. Dýniyejýzi qazaqtary qauymdastyghynyng Tóraghasy bolyp tabylatyn Elbasy Núrsúltan Nazarbaevtyn: "Sizderdi Londonda ótip jatqan Europa qazaqtarynyng dәstýrli Kishi qúryl­tayynyng ashyluymen shyn jýrekten qút­tyqtaymyn! Osydan on jyl búryn ata­júrt­tarynyz - Qazaqstan Respublikasynyng qoldauymen Germaniyanyng Kelin qalasynda bastau alghan kishi qúryltaylar býginde Europa­da túratyn qandastarymyzdyng basyn qosyp, toptastyratyn auqymdy is-sharagha ainaldy. El tәuelsizdigining arqasynda Qazaqstanda ýsh ret dýniyejýzi qazaqtarynyng basyn qostyq. Alys jәne jaqyn shetelderde túratyn bauyr­larymyzgha údayy mәdeniy-ruhany qamqorlyq jasalyp keledi. Ótken jyly qabyldanghan "Núrly kósh" baghdarlamasy arqyly alysta jýr­gen aghayynnyng at basyn atajúrtqa búruyna jaghday jasaluda. Qazirgi әlemdik daghdarys Qazaqstandy da ainalyp ótken joq. Elimiz synaqty kezennen sýrinbey ótuding barlyq mýmkindikterin jýzege asyruda. Dagh­darysqa qaramastan, shette jýrgen bauyr­la­rymyzben aradaghy baylanys nyghaya beretin bolady. Jan-jaqty qarym-qatynastyng odan әri óristey beruine sizder de eleuli ýles qo­sa­syzdar dep senemin. Barshanyzdyng otbastary­nyz­gha yrys-bereke, enbekterinizge tabys tiley­min", degen sәlemin Europanyng 10 elinen kelgen 600-den astam diaspora ókilderine jetkizdik. Biylghy basqosudyng bir ereksheligi - Europa qazaqtarynyng Kishi qúryltayyna Mongholiya, Resey, Singapur, Pәkstan, Týrik elderinen de az bolsa da aghayyndar kelip qosyldy.

- Angliya Europada jatqanymen, ústanymy bólek el ghoy, Shengen aimaghyna kirmeytindikten, búl memleketke viza alu da qiyamet-qayym. Osynday jәitter Kishi qúryltay ótkizudi qiyndatqan joq pa?

- ...16 millionnan astam halyq túratyn Londonda qay últtyng ókili jýrmegen?! Sonyng ishinde 45 qazaq otbasy túrady. Biraq, birin-biri qoldap otyratyn qandastarymyz ýlken sharany oidaghyday atqardy. Búl elding ekinshi ereksheligi, bir ghana Londonda 3 mynnan astam qazaq studenti oqidy. 600-den astamy "Bola­shaq" baghdarlamasymen, memlekettik granttar­men oqyp jatqan jastar. Býkil Úlybritaniya­da qazaqstandyq studentterdi jinasanyz 5 myngha jetip jyghylady. Sondaghy studentteri­miz týrli qoghamdyq úiymdar qúrghan. Jastary­myz qazaq diasporasymen jaqsy qarym-qatynas ornatypty, barlyq sharalaryna atsalysady. Studentterimiz osy qúryltaygha kóp kómek berdi. Qonaqtardy qarsy alyp, orna­lastyryp, tәrjimәshi bolyp, iygi iske ortaq­tas­qanyn kórip, quanyp jýrdik. Elden jyl­da­ghyday kóp ónerpazdar apara almadyq. Osy olqylyqtyng ornyn sondaghy talantty jastar tolyqtyrdy.

- Biylghy Europa qazaqtarynyng Kishi qúryltayyn ótkizu-ótkizbeu mәselesi qiyndyq tughyzghanyn aityp qaldynyz. Biraq, ony sondaghy qandastarymyz sheshpey me?

- Áriyne! Búl - sondaghy bauyrlardyng óz sharasy. Mәselen, olar aldaghy jyldary ótetin qúryltaydyng jay-japsaryn josparlap otyr. Byltyr Norvegiyanyng Oslo qalasynda ótken qúryltayda aldaghy ýsh jyldyng júmysy jobalanyp qoyghan. Keler jyly Venada bas qosady. Múnyng ózi kókeyge әbden qonymdy. Qazaqstan EQYÚ-gha tóraghalyq etetin jyly býkil Europadaghy aghayyndar ókilderining sol qalada toghysuy jarasyp túrmaq. 2011 jyly Shvesiyanyng Vesteros qalasynda jinalady. Alystaghy aghayyndar osynday úigharym jasap, býkil úiymdastyrushylyq sharalaryna ózderi úiytqy bolady.

- Úlybritaniyadaghy azghantay qazaq otbasy­nyng bir-birimen aralas-qúralastyghy qalay eken?

- Angliyadaghy qazaq diasporasy 1960-jyl­da­ry Týrik elinen týriktermen birge Europa­gha enbek migrasiyasymen barghan aghayyndar. Týbi Qytaydan shyghyp, Europagha taban tiregen qazaqtar. Aytalyq, Londonda 600-ge juyq týrik túrady. Solarmen ilesip barghan qandas­tary­myz, ózderining qazaq ekendigin týisinip, resmy tirkeuden ótip, qazaq mәdeny ortalyghyn qúrghan. Ol ortalyq 20 jyldan beri júmys jýrgizip otyr. Keyingi on jylda Ismayyl Kesijy degen bauyrymyz osy qazaq mәdeny ortalyghyn basqarady. Búryn Angliyadaghy qazaq otbasy 40 qana bolatyn, biyl olargha 5 otbasy qosylypty. Jastar ýilenip, jeke otau tikken. Negizinen olar shaghyn kәsipkerlikpen ainalysady. Jastary oqyp jatyr, týrli kom­paniyalarda júmys isteydi. Londonda túratyn Bәshir Janaltay degen bauyrymyz jaqynda Qazaqstangha kóship keldi. Bala-shaghasy Lon­donda túrady. Ol - sol balalaryn týpting týbinde Qazaqstangha kóshirip aludy kóksep otyrghan qandastyng biri.

- Fransiyada túratyn qandastarymyzdyng balasy fransuz tilinde, Germaniyada nemis tilinde, Úlybritaniyadaghysy aghylshyn tilinde bilim aluda. Europadaghy qazaq diasporasy jastarynyng til bilmeytini jangha batatyny turaly talay aityp ediniz...

- Europa jastarynyng ýlken mәselesi de osy. Tildik orta, әriyne, joq. Olargha til men­ger­tu mәselesinde biraz tirlikter jasalynyp jatyr. Nәtiyjesin uaqyt kórseter. Áke-sheshe­leri qazaqsha bilgenimen, balalary qazaqsha bi­ledi dep aitu qiyn. Dәstýrli Kishi qúryltay­lar­gha baryp, dóngelek ýstelder ótkizgende, birinshi talqylanatyn jәit osy. Biyl da sóz boldy.

- Elbasynyng biylghy Joldauyn qúryl­tay­gha týrik tiline audaryp aparugha da osy týrtki bolyp otyrghan shyghar?

- Europanyng on elinde jýrgen bauyrlargha on tilde audaryp aparu bizge qiyn boldy. Biraq, bәri týrik tilin biledi. Dóngelek ýstelde Joldaudy tanystyryp, eldegi ekonomikalyq jaghdaydan mәlimetter berdik. Qazaqsha-týrik­she tilashar jasap apardyq. Qaltagha salyp jýrip, kýndelikti til ýirenuge ynghayly. 2006 jyl­dan beri qazaq tilin ýirenuding kompiu­ter­lik baghdarlamasyn jasap jýrmiz. Alghashqy nús­qasy 780 sózdik qordan túrady. Byltyr ekinshi jetildirilgen núsqasyn jasap aparghan­byz. Biyl jana baghdarlamanyng sózdik qory 3 myngha jetti. Til ýiretudi birte-birte kýrde­len­dirip otyrmyz. Áytpese, birden jyraqta jýrip ana tilin ýirenip alu onay emes. CD taspadaghy baghdarlamany qazirgidey aqparattyq tehnologiyalar zamanynda kóbeytip alu qiyn emes. Men ondaghy qandastarymyzgha "Qazirgi­dey kompiuter zamanynda elden qazaq tilin ýiretetin oqytushy jiberinder degen on jyl búrynghy әngimeni qoyynyzdar", dep aittym. Múghalim de jiberip kórgenbiz. Barghan adamnyng jyldap jatyp, til ýiretuge mýmkindigi joq. On kýnge barghan oqytushydan ne ýirenuge bo­la­dy? Al jaz kezinde til seminarlaryn úiym­das­tyryp túrudyng jóni basqa. Fransiyadaghy, Úlybritaniya men Germaniyadaghy elshilikteri­miz sondaghy aghayyndardyng balalaryna til ýi­retu kurstaryn ótkizip jýr. Alghysymyzdy aittyq.

- Elshilik osy sharany ótkizuge demeushi ta­bu­gha da úiytqy bolghanyn estip, quanyp otyrmyz.

- Qazaqstan Respublikasynyng Úlybrita­niya Korolidigindegi elshisi Qayrat Ábuseyitov bastap, elshilik qyzmetkerleri osy qúryl­tay­dy ótkizuge de múryndyq boldy. Syrttaghy aghayynnyng bәri biznesmen emes. Osy jerde elshilik taghy da kómekke keldi. Demeushiler tauyp, Qazaqstanda júmys istep jatqan birneshe aghylshyn kompaniyalaryn búryp, qa­raylastyrdy. Óitkeni, birneshe kýnge stadion, konsert zalyn jalgha alu, tamaqtandyru, 600-dey adamdy qonaqýilerge ornalastyru onay emes. Fransiya, Germaniyadaghy qandastarymyz kóp bolghandyqtan, olar alystan kelgen aghayyndardy bólip alyp ketetin, ol jaqtarda qúryltay ótkizu onayyraq. Men elimizding syrt­taghy elshilikterimen jii aralasatyndyq­tan, olardyng elin sýietin naghyz azamattar ekendigin kórip, tәnti bolyp jýremin.

- Osy qúryltaydyng jaqsy dәstýri bar, ol - jastar bir-birimen tanysyp, aralasyp, dostassyn degen niyetten tughan by keshi. Osy keshterding sony ýilenu toylaryna úlasqan kezderi boldy ma?

- Boldy, bolyp ta jatyr. 2000 jyldyng basynda bastalghan ýrdis edi. Aqsaqaldar oilasa kele jasaghan ýlken dәstýrding biri osy. Futbol turniyri, konsert, kórme óz aldyna. By keshindegi tanystyqtyng sony dostyqqa, mahabbatqa ainalyp jatqan kezderi bar. Mysaly, aldynghy jyly Shvesiyagha barghany­myzda Álihan Janaltay sonda baryp qúda týsip jatyr eken. Sol balalar 2006 jyly Mun­hendegi by keshinde tanysqan. Londonda biyl bas qosqan bes otbasy da osylaysha qúral­ghan. Londondaghy qazaq mәdeny ortaly­ghyn basqaryp otyrghan Ismayyl Kesijy de kelinshegin Qazaqstangha issaparlarmen kelip jýrip tapqan. Sol Sholpanymyz 2-3 balanyng anasy, osy qúryltaydy ótkizuge bir kisidey jýgirip, enbek etti.

- Qúryltaydyng dәstýrli dumany - futbol dodasy. Biylghy turnirge qansha komanda qatysty?

- Jylda Europanyng on elinen qúryghanda bir-bir komanda keletin. Biyl Daniya men Nor­ve­giya san jaghynan azdau bolghan son, bir ko­manda bolyp keldi. Fransiya men Angliya eki ko­mandadan qatysty. Diaspora ókilderi bir komanda boldy, bizding elshilikting jas qyz­metkerleri men studentterimiz de bir komandagha birigipti. 12 komanda tenbil dop tepti. Aqtyq synda Shvesiya men Gollandiyadan kelgen qan­dastarymyz dop dodasyna shyghyp, gollan­diyalyq aghayyndar bas jýldeni alyp ketti.

- Sizding Londonnan alyp kelgen fotoshejirenizden "Bolashaq" baghdarlamasymen oqyp jýrgen Botagóz ben Bolat Tynybekovterdi kózimiz shaldy. Bizding balalar qalay oqyp jýr eken? Elge qaytatyn niyetteri bar ma?

- Men osy arada memlekettik grantpen, "Bolashaq" baghdarlamasymen oqyp jýrgen balalardan bólek qanshama qazaq studentteri syrtta oqyp jatqanyn eske sala otyryp, olardy qadaghalaudy elimizding Bilim jәne ghylym ministrligi retteytin kez kelip jetkenin basa aitqym keeledi. Búl - bólek oilasatyn mәsele. Ministrlik grantpen oqyp jatqan balalardy eseptep, baqylap otyr. Al basqasy bizding balalarymyz emes pe? Elshilik­tegi jigitter olardyng konsuldyq esepke de túrmaytynyn aityp jýr. Botagóz ben Bolatty bayaghyda Mәdeniyet ministrliginde qyzmet istegen kezimnen bilemin. Taghdyry qiyn, talantty balalar. Oqulary ayaqtalyp qalypty. Korolidik muzyka akademiyasyn tәmamdaydy. Olar maman bolyp, elge qaytyp kele jatyr. Magistraturagha qalugha asa qúlyqty emes. "Eldi saghyndyq, syrtta jýrip qaldyq. Qara­ghandy oblystyq filarmoniyasymen kelisim-shart jasadyq", dep otyr. Bir aidan keyin elge keledi.

- Daghdarys-daghdarys dep jýrip Dushanbede de Ortalyq Aziya elderi qazaqtarynyng qúryltayyn ótkizipsizder...

- Jylyna bir ret Europa qazaqtarynyng Kishi qúryltayymen jýretin edik. Basqa elderdegi jaghday әrtýrli bolatyn. Biyl qarjylyq qiynshylyqtargha qaramay, birqatar auqymdy tirlikter atqaryppyz. Tek tilek bolsa, osyny oryndaymyz degen ynta bolsa, bәri iske asady eken. Sәuir aiynda Qazaq­stan, Qyrghyzstan, Ózbekstan, Týrkimenstan, Tәjikstan, Iran, Aughanstandaghy qazaq diasporasy bas qosty. Osy elderdegi qandastarymyzdyng qordalanghan mәseleleri, әleumettik jaghdaylary ortaq. Dushanbedegi elshi Ábutәlip Ahmetov te kóp kómektesti. Kórshi eldermen qatynasu onay bolghanymen, Iran men Aughanstandaghy bauyrlarmen qarym-qatynas qiyndau edi. Olar da keldi. Jeke kez­desulerde kóptegen jәitterge qanyqtyq. Osy qúryltaydy keler jyly Bishkekte ótkizuge úigharym jasap otyrmyz. Qyrghyz elindegi elshimiz Baqyt Ospanov ta qoldau bildirude.

- Mausym aiynyng sonynda Ulan-Batyrda ótetin basqosudyng jay-japsary turaly bilgimiz kelip otyr.

- Mongholiyadaghy qazaqtargha kónil bólmey jatyrmyz desek ótirik bolar, biraq, Ólgiydegi qandastarymyzgha kóp qaraylaydy ekenbiz. Ulan-Batyr ainalasynda 20 myngha juyq aghayyn túrady. Mongholiyanyng Ólgiyden de basqa 20 aimaghy bar. Solardyng bәrinde qandastarymyz kýn keship jatyr. Olar da "Biz de qazaq emespiz be?!" dep ókpe aitady. Sondaghy elshimiz Orman Núrbaev jyl basynda ishki Mongholiyada jýrgen qandastarymyzdyng Kishi qúryltayyn ótkizsek degen úsynys aitqan. Amandyq bolsa, 27 mausymda Mongholiyadaghy qazaqtar Ulan-Batyrda bas qosqaly otyr. Múnan da bólek Reseyde Kishi qúryltay ótkizu josparymyzda túr. Kýzge qaray Ózbekstangha qazaq mәdeny ortalyghynyng qúryluyna 20 jyl toluyna oray toqaylasu mýmkindigi bar.

- Ángimenizge rahmet.

Aynash ESALI, Almaty.

«Egemen» Qazaqstan» gazeti 6 mausym 2009 jyl