Qazirgi tanda kólenkeli ekonomikanyng dengeyin anyqtaytyn esepteuding birynghay әdistemesi joq
Mýsirәli Ótebaev, Qarjy ministrligi Qarjylyq monitoring komiytetining tóraghasy:
Mýsirәli Ótebaev, Qarjy ministrligi Qarjylyq monitoring komiytetining tóraghasy:
- Mýsirәli Smayylúly, biyl «Zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl turaly» Zannyng kýshine engenine eki jyldan asyp barady. Búl baghytta nendey júmystar atqaryldy?
- Jana tehnologiyalardyng damuyna baylanysty aqshany jylystatu әdisteri ózgerude, sondyqtan osy saladaghy zannamanyng jetilip, ózgerip otyruy - zaman talaby. Qazirgi kezde zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl salasyndaghy últtyq jýieni jetildiru boyynsha birneshe ózgeris engizilude. Búl orayda, komiytet atqarghan manyzdy júmystardyng biri - qarjy monitoringining birynghay aqparattyq taldamaly jýiesin qúru. Óz kezeginde ol ishki jәne halyqaralyq qarjy barlau júmysynda aqparatty jiynau, óndeu, taldau jәne almasugha arnalghan jeli bolyp tabylady.
Ýstimizdegi jyly zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl salasynda Qazaqstan Respublikasy Ekonomikalyq qylmysqa jәne sybaylas jemqorlyqqa qarsy kýres agenttigimen, Bas prokuraturamen, Ishki ister ministrligimen jәne Últtyq qauipsizdik komiytetimen ózara aqparat almasu jәne mәlimetter beru jóninde birlesken búiryqqa qol qoyyldy.
Al oghan deyin, 2011 jyly, Qazaqstan Respublikasynyng qarjy monitoringi jýiesi qylmysty kiristerdi zandastyru jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl baghytynda Euraziyalyq toptyng zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyru jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl boyynsha halyqaralyq standarttargha sәikestigi boyynsha baghalauynan ótti.
Zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha (jylystatugha) jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl jónindegi Euraziyalyq toppen (EAT) memleketaralyq kelisimge 2012 jyldyng 21 aqpanynda qol qoyyldy.
- Al endi osy zangha taghy da ózgerister engizu josparlanyp otyr. Búl ózgerister naqty qanday mәselelerdi qamtitynyna toqtala ketseniz...
- IYә, Qazaqstan Respublikasynyng konstitusiyalyq Kenesining 2009 jylghy 20 tamyzdaghy №5 normativtik qaulysynyng qúqyqtyq baghyttaryna zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha (jylystatugha) jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl turaly zannamasyn sәikestendiru maqsatynda QR Parlamentining Mәjilisine «Zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha (jylystatugha) jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl mәseleleri boyynsha keybir zannamalyq aktilerge ózgerister men tolyqtyrular engizu turaly» zang jobasy úsynyldy. Engiziletin ózgerister birshama bolmaq, mysaly, qarjy monitoringi subektilerining tizimin úlghaytu, belgili bir operasiyalar boyynsha shekti somalardy úlghaytu, Kedendik odaq shenberinde ratifikasiyalanghan shartqa baylanysty jeke túlghalardyng qolma-qol aqshany Kedendik odaqtyng shekarasynan auysu tәrtibin sәikestendiru.
Sonymen qatar Ýkimetting 2012 jylghy 13 qantardaghy №25 qaulysyna sәikes «Qazaqstan Respublikasynyng keybir zannamalyq aktilerine zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha (jylystatugha) jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl jәne qolma-qol aqshagha ainaldyru mәseleleri boyynsha ózgerister men tolyqtyrular engizu turaly» zang jobasy Parlamentten qaytaryp alynyp, onyng normalary qarastyrylyp jatqan zang jobasynda qamtyldy. Tolyghyraq aitqanda, qarjylyq monitoringige tiyisti operasiyalargha qolma-qol aqshagha ainaldyru operasiyasy engizildi. Qazirgi kezde qolma-qol aqsha ainalymy aqshany jylystatugha jәne sybaylas jemqorlyqqa qolayly bolyp túr. Sondyqtan tólemderdi tólem kartochkalary arqyly qabyldaudy mindettegen jón. Sonda ghana aqshamen jasalghan әrbir operasiyanyng býkpesiz boluy qamtamasyz etiledi. Zandy túlghalardy qolma-qol aqshasyz esep jýrgizuge yntalandyru kerek jәne kartochka arqyly tólemdi jýzege asyrugha arnalghan jabdyqtyng (POS-terminal) bolmaghany ýshin sauda nemese qyzmet kórsetu úiymdaryn әkimshilik jauapkershilikke tartu qajet. Zang jobasynda osy sekildi jayttar men taghy da basqa kóptegen ózekti mәsele qarastyrylyp, talqylanuda.
- Sizderding mindetteriniz - qarjylyq operasiyalardy jinau, óndeu jәne taldau. Osyghan oray 2011 jyly aqshany jylystatugha, terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha baylanysty dep joramaldaugha negiz bar degen qansha material QR qúqyq qorghau organdaryna berildi?
- Aytqanynyz dúrys, biraq biz qarjy monitoringi subektilerinen týsken mәlimetti jinaghan boyda olardy qúzyrly organdargha jibere salmaymyz. Aqparattar týskennen bastap birneshe taldau kezenderinen ótedi, búl - óte kýrdeli júmys. Qarjy monitoringi subektilerinen habarlamalar eki belgi boyynsha kelip týsedi, birinshi - zanda kórsetilgen belgili bir operasiyalar boyynsha bekitilgen shekti somadan asqan kezde, ekinshisi - ekonomiykalyq mәni joq mәmileler jasau, qarjy monitoringinen jaltarugha baghyttalghan is-qimyldar, sonymen qatar terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qatysy bar degen joramal boyynsha operasiyalar kýdikti operasiyalargha jatady.
Osy aqparattar aldymen birinshi bólimshege týsip, jinaqtalyp, mәlimetter bazasyna engiziledi. Birynghay aqparattyq taldama jýiesi boyynsha mәlimetter óndelip, ekinshi bólimshege týsedi. Óziniz bilesiz, qarjylyq operasiyalar tek qana memleket ishimen shektelmeydi. Sondyqtan egerde bir operasiya shetel azamatynyng nemese shetel zandy túlghasynyng qatysuymen bolghan jaghdayda komiytet sol shetelding qúzyrly organdaryna jasalghan operasiya boyynsha súranys jasaydy, shetelding qarjy barlau bólimshelerimen tyghyz júmys atqarylady. Mine, sodan keyin óndelgen mәlimetter taldanyp, kýdikti dep tabylghan jaghdayda ghana qúqyq qorghau organdaryna ary qaray is jýrgizu sheshimin qabyldau ýshin jiberiledi.
Al endi istelgen júmystardyng nәtiyjeleri jayynda aitar bolsaq, komiytetting mәlimetter bazasyna bir kýn ishinde qarjy monitoringi subektilerinen kýdikti degen boljammen eki jarym myngha juyq habarlama men aqparat týsedi. Týsken aqparattar boyynsha jan-jaqty taldaular jasalyp, tek 2011 jyl ishinde 120-gha juyq material qúqyq qorghau organdaryna ary qaray júmys jýrgizilu ýshin berildi.
- Jogharyda atap ótken zang qabyldanghanda siz «sheteldik әriptesterimizben de tyghyz baylanys ornatamyz» degen bolatynsyz. Býgingi kýni qansha el sizdermen әriptes bolyp otyr?
- Búl orayda, eng birinshi aitarym: zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyldyng halyqaralyq jýiesining tolyq qatysushysy bolugha úmtylu barysynda Qazaqstan osy salada negizgi halyqaralyq qújattardy qabyldap jәne ratifikasiyalady.
Zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi, ekstremizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy kýres shenberinde halyqaralyq yntymaqtastyqtyng róli zor. Aqshany jylystatu bir memleket ayasynda jýzege asyrylatyn qylmys emes, qazirgi tanda búl transúlttyq qylmysqa ainaluda. Sondyqtan shekara aqshany jylystatugha kedergi emes, tipti deseniz, sebepshi boluda. Osyghan tosqauyl qon maqsatynda 1989 jyly Parijde ótken Ýlken jetilik sammiytining sheshimimen Qarjyny jylystatumen kýresting is-sharalaryn әzirleytin halyqaralyq qarjy toby (FATF) qúryldy. Bastapqyda búl top esirtki biznesining nәtiyjesinde týsken kiristerdi jylystatugha qarsy is-әreket etken edi, biraq 2001 jyldyng 11 qyrkýieginde AQSh-ta bolghan terroristik aktilerden keyin FATF tobynyng nazary terrorizmmen kýreske de baghyttaldy. FATF-ting aumaqtyq 9 toby bar, sonyng bireui - zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl jónindegi Euraziyalyq top (EAT). Qazaqstan 2004 jyly osy toptyng mýshesi boldy. Osy top ayasynda biz Resey, Belarusi, Ýndistan, Qytay, Qyrghyzstan, Tәjikstan, Ózbekstan jәne Týrikmenstan elderimen aqshany jylystatugha qarsy kýres ayasynda aqparattar men mәlimetter almasa alamyz.
Sonymen qatar komiytet qúrylghan kýnnen bastap «Egmont» qarjylyq barlau bólimshelerining tobyna kiru basty maqsattarymyzdyng biri boldy. 2011 jyly osy toptyng 19 plenarlyq otyrysynda Qazaqstan «Egmont» tobynyng tenqúqyly mýshesine ainaldy. Qazirgi tanda «Egmont» toby 127 memleketting qarjylyq barlau bólimshelerin biriktirip otyr.
Osy toptyng mýshesi bolu - bizding últtyq qarjylyq barlau jýiesining halyqaralyq dengeyde tanylghany. Sonymen qatar zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl salasynda shetel memleketterimen yntymaqtastyghyna, komiytetting júmys shapshandylyghyn arttyruyna jәne sheteldik seriktesterimen (Egmont Secure Web) qorghalghan jeli arqyly aqparat almasugha mýmkindik tudy.
Ekijaqty yntymaqtastyqty jetildiru maqsatynda Moldova jәne Ukraina memleketterining qarjylyq barlau bólimshelerimen ózara qarym-qatynas turaly memorandumdargha qol qoyyldy. Aghymdaghy jyldyng mausym aiynda ótetin «Egmont» tobynyng plenarlyq otyrysynda Resey jәne Birikken Arab Ámirlikterimen memorandumgha qol qoyylady. Sonymen qatar Týrkiya, Kanada elderining qarjylyq barlau bólimshelerimen memorandum jobasy kelisimdelip jatyr.
- Jaqynda FATF úsynymdarynyng jana redaksiyasy qabyldandy. Jana redaksiyany qabyldaugha ne týrtki boldy jәne onyng bizding últtyq zannamamyzgha әseri qanday bolmaq?
- FATF úsynymdarynda týbegeyli ózgerister boldy dep aitugha kelmeydi. Osy top qúrylghannan keyin, 1990 jyly FATF aqshany jylystatugha qarsy baghyttalghan 40 úsynymyn bekitti. 2003 jyly onyng qatary terrorizmge baylanysty toghyz úsynymmen tolyqty. Al biylghy jyldyng aqpan aiynda Parij qalasynda Qarjyny jylystatumen kýresting is-sharalaryn әzirleytin halyqaralyq qarjy tobynyng (FATF) plenarlyq otyrysynda FATF-tyng jana úsynymdary qabyldandy. Esinizge sala keteyin, búl úsynymdar qarjylyq operasiyalardy taldauda paydalanylatyn halyqaralyq standarttar dep tabylady.
Súraghynyzgha baylanysty aitar bolsaq, FATF-tyng bastapqyda josparlanghan mindetteri jýzege asty, qarjylyq barlau bólimsheleri júmys atqaratyn infraqúrylym jasaldy, sondyqtan da halyqaralyq standarttar jana dengeyge kóterildi.
Al endi ózgerister boyynsha sóz etsek, halyqaralyq standartqa qauip-qaterdi baghalau boyynsha tolyqtyru engizildi. Ár memleket aqshany jylystatu jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha baylanysty qauip-qaterdi anyqtauy qajet jәne soghan qarap osy saladaghy últtyq zannamasyn sәikestendirui kerek. Sol sebepten qauip-qaterdi anyqtau jәne sonyng negizinde baghalaudyng ilkimdi tәsilderin paydalanu úsynymymen tolyqtyryldy. Osy úsynym boyynsha, qaupi joghary baghalanghan salada aldyn alu sharalaryn úlghaytu jәne qaupi tómen baghalanghan salada jenildetilgen sharalar qoldanu qarastyrylghan. Baghalau negizinde ilkimdi tәsilderdi paydalanu aqshany jylystatugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl jýiesin nәtiyjeli etedi jәne shyghyndy azaytady.
Jana engizilgen úsynystyng biri - jappay qyryp-joy qarularyn taratudy qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl. Áriyne, qazirgi kezde jappay qyryp-joy qarulary boyynsha BÚÚ Qauipsizdik Kenesining qararlary, birtalay halyqaralyq kelisim bar, al FATF júmysy neni qamtidy degen súraq tuuy mýmkin. Songhy kezderi jappay qyryp-joy qarularyn taratugha qarsy is-qimyldyng tiyimdi tetigi ony qarjylandyrudyng aldyn alu sharalary ekeni aiqyndalyp qaldy. Sondyqtan FATF-tyng jana úsynysy osy baghytta qarjylyq sanksiyalardy BÚÚ talabymen qamtamasyz etudi kózdeydi. Bir aita keterlik jayt - biz osy saladaghy basqa qúzyrly organdardyng júmysyn qaytalamaymyz. Olardyng basty maqsaty jappay qyryp-joy qarularynyng taralmauyna tosqauyl qong bolsa, bizding júmys - osy qarudy jasau nemese jasalghan qarudy taratudy qarjylandyrugha tosqauyl qong.
Taghy bir janalyq - salyq qylmystaryn aqshany jylystatugha sebep bolatyn predikattyq qylmystar tizimine engizu boyynsha tolyqtyrular boldy. Osyghan baylanysty aqshany jylystatugha qarsy is-әreket sharalary úlghaytyldy.
Sonymen qatar FATF úsynymdary sybaylas jemqorlyqtyng aldyn alu boyynsha janalyqtar engizdi. Sayasy qyzmetkerler ózderining lauazymyna baylanysty sybaylas jemqorlyqqa qolayly jaghdaylar tughyzuy mýmkin. Sol sebepten atalghan úsynymdar boyynsha sayasy qyzmetkerding jәne onyng otbasy men jaqyn baylanystarynyng qarjy kózderin aiqyndau tәjiriybesi engiziledi.
Ár memleketting qarjylyq barlau bólimsheleri óz júmystarynda osy standarttardy 2013 jyldan bastap basshylyqqa alady. Osynyng negizinde әr memleket zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy kýres salasyndaghy últtyq zannamasyn sәikestendirui qajet. Al ol - óte kýrdeli júmys. Búl jerde tek qana bizding saladaghy zandy ghana emes, basqa normativtik qúqyqtyq aktilerge de birshama ózgeris engizilui tiyis bolyp otyr.
- «Euraziyalyq top turaly kelisimdi ratifikasiyalau turaly» Zangha qol qoyylghanyn bilemiz. Búl zang bizge ne beredi?
- Jalpy, Euraziyalyq top jayynda bizder qúrylghannan beri sóz etip kelemiz. Jogharyda atalghan kelisimge qol qoyylghannan bastap Euraziyalyq top ýkimetaralyq úiym bolyp, halyqaralyq organ retinde júmys atqaruda. Búl toptyng basty maqsaty - mýsheligine kirgen memleketter terrorizmnen tónip túrghan qauipten últtyq qarjylyq jýielerining ashyqtyghyn jәne qauipsizdigin birlesip qamtamasyz etedi, sonymen qatar halyqaralyq standarttar boyynsha júmys atqarady. Euraziyalyq topqa mýshelik Qazaqstangha zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl salasyndaghy jýiesin halyqaralyq standarttargha say jetildirumen qatar, FATF tobyna EAT tobynyng tolyqqandy mýshesi retinde qatysugha mýmkindik beredi.
- Siz bir sózinizde «әlemdik daghdarys kólenkeli biznesting tynysyn ashyp otyr» dediniz. Yaghny el ekonomikasyndaghy qarjynyng bir bóligi kólenkeli bizneske ketip jatyr. Osyny tarqatyp aityp berseniz. Alda taghy da ýlken daghdarys keledi dep kýtip otyrmyz, búl kólenkeli bizneske qalay әser etedi dep oilaysyz jәne kólenkeli biznesting jolyn kesu ýshin qanday sharalar qoldanghan jón?
- Qazirgi tanda bizding maqsatymyz - kólenkeli ekonomikanyng «nәtiyjelerin» aitu emes, onyng kólemin odan әri arttyrmau ýshin tosqauyl qong sharalaryn jetildiru. Istelgen qylmystyng nәtiyjesimen kýresuden góri, qylmysty boldyrmau, yaghny aldyn alu júmystaryn jýrgizu kerek. Qazirgi tanda kólenkeli ekonomikanyng dengeyin anyqtaytyn esepteuding birynghay әdistemesi joq, sondyqtan da aldymenen memlekettik dengeyde kólenkeli ekonomikany dәlme-dәl baghalau mәselesin sheshu qajet.
Adam qúqyqtarynyn, enbek zanynyng saqtalmauymen zansyz óndiristik qyzmet, paydakýnemdikpen jasalatyn lauazymdy sharuashylyq qylmystar, esirtki biznesi, zansyz qúmar oiyn biznesi, alamandyq sipattaghy qúqyq búzushylyqtardan týsetin tabysty, tabystyng kólemin salyq saludan jasyrushylyq kólenkeli ekonomikanyng keng taralghan qúbylysyna ainalady.
Osyghan oray aitarym: «Zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl turaly» Zang - Respublikanyng qarjy sektorynyng tazalyghy men investisiya keletin joldarynyng ashyqtyghynyng aiqyn belgisi. Investisiya ekonomikalyq ósuding negizi bola otyryp, elding әleumettik damuyna jaghday jasaytyny belgili.
- Bizde qazir, jasyratyny joq, qay salany alsanyz da, maman tapshylyghy degen mәsele bar. Qarjy monitoringi salasynda búl jaghy qalay bolyp jatyr? Kadr jetkilikti me? Olardyng biliktiligin arttyru ýshin shetelge jiberip oqytu baghdarlamalary bar ma?
- Bizding komiytetting kadrlyq qúramy tolyghymen jasaqtalghan, onyng ishinde «Bolashaq» baghdarlamasy boyynsha jәne Memlekettik basqaru akademiyasynda bilim alghan, aghylshyn tilin jetik mengergen jas mamandar bar.
Qarjylyq taldau jәne jogharghy aqparattyq tehnologiyalar salasynda qarjy monitoringi jýiesin qúru jәne qyzmetin qamtamasyz etu ýshin mamandar iriktelip dayarlandy. Komiytet qyzmetkerlerin, qarjy monitoringi subektilerin, qúqyq qorghau jәne qadaghalau organdarynyng mamandaryn dayyndau mәselelerinde Dýniyejýzilik bank, Esirtki jәne qylmys jónindegi BÚÚ basqarmasy, EQYÚ, sonymen qatar AQSh elshiligi men Rosfiynmonitoring atynan Qarjy monitoringining halyqaralyq oqu-әdistemelik ortalyghy (QMHOÁO) edәuir kómek kórsetude.
Aqshany jylystatu jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy kýres shenberinde tәjiriybe almasu maqsatynda Qarjy monitoringi komiytetining qyzmetkerleri Resey, AQSh, Belarusi jәne Ukraina memleketterining qarjylyq barlau bólimshelerine bardy.
Sonymen qatar osy salada memleket ishinde ótip jatqan sharalar da az emes. Mysaly, qyzmetkerlerimiz jaqynda ótken, AQSh elshiligi EQYÚ-men birlesip úiymdastyrghan qarjylyq barlau jәne qarjyny jylystatu men terrorizmdi qarjylandyrudyng tipologiyalarynyng tehniykalary mәselesi jónindegi treningige qatysty. Osynday seminarlargha qatysqan qyzmetkerler komiytet ishinde barlyq bólimshe qyzmetkerlerimen ózderining qatysqan seminarlarynan alghan janalyqtar men jana әdistemelermen bólisedi.
- Siz ýshin qazir óz salanyzdaghy ózekti mәsele ne dep oilaysyz?
- Búl komiytet - Elbasynyng jeke tapsyrmasymen jәne halyqaralyq FATF úsynymdary negizinde qarjylyq barlau organy retinde qúrylghan әkimshilik tiptegi organ. Komiytet óz júmysyn halyqaralyq standarttargha say jýrgizedi. Sol sebepten jaqynda qabyldanghan halyqaralyq standarttardyng jana redaksiyasyn memlekettik organdargha, qarjy moniytoringi subektilerine jәne jeke sektorgha týsindiru jәne jetkizu qajet.
Qazaqstan - Birynghay ekonomikalyq kenistik pen Keden odaghyna mýshe memleket. Sondyqtan aldymyzdaghy negizgi júmystardyng biri zansyz jolmen alynghan kiristerdi zandastyrugha jәne terrorizmdi qarjylandyrugha qarsy is-qimyl boyynsha Qazaqstan, Resey, Belarusi memleketteri arasyndaghy әreketterdi sәikestendiru jәne zannamany ýilestiru qajet.
Sonymen qatar Qazaqstan Respublikasy men Dýniyejýzilik bank arasynda 2011-2012 jyldargha arnalghan «Birlesken ekonomikalyq zertteu baghdarlamasy» ayasynda aqshany jylystatu salasyndaghy Últtyq qauip-qaterdi baghalau júmysyn jaqsy dengeyde ótkizu jәne zertteu nәtiyjelerin memlekettik, qúqyq qorghau organdarynyng júmysynda qoldanuyn ýilestiru biz ýshin manyzdy әri ózekti mindetterding qatarynda túr.
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Bizding maqsatymyz - kólenkeli ekonomikanyng «nәtiyjelerin» aitu emes, onyng kólemin odan әri arttyrmau ýshin tosqauyl qong sharalaryn jetildiru. Istelgen qylmystyng nәtiyjesimen kýresuden góri, qylmysty boldyrmau, yaghny aldyn alu júmystaryn jýrgizu kerek. Qazirgi tanda kólenkeli ekonomikanyng dengeyin anyqtaytyn esepteuding birynghay әdistemesi joq, sondyqtan da aldymenen memlekettik dengeyde kólenkeli ekonomikany dәlme-dәl baghalau mәselesin sheshu qajet.
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