Bylyghy basynan asyp jatqan Bilim jәne ghylym ministri Erlan Saghadiyev BAQ-tyng nysanasyna taghy ilindi. Búl joly reformator ministr Saghadiyev sózjarystan qashty.

Birneshe kýn búryn sayasatker Múhtar Tayjan ózining әleumettik jelidegi paraqshasynda jazba jariyalap, onda BjGhM ministri Erlan Saghadiyevti ashyq teledebatqa shaqyrghan.

"Ministr degen ózining reformalaryn dәleldep, qorghap shygha aluy kerek. Birtanov myrza (QR Densaulyq saqtau ministri - red.) qoryqqan joq. Jaltaryp, búghyp qalghan joq. Onyng ýstine Oshaqbaevty (ekonomist, búrynghy QR Investisiya jәne damu viyse-ministri - red.) ózi shaqyrdy teledebatqa. Al Saghadiyev ózining ýshtildilikke qatysty, ejelgi Qazaqstan tarihynyng JOO-dan alynyp tastaluyna qatysty, Álippeni jonggha qatysty bastamalaryna jauap bere ala ma? Kóreyik!", - dep jazghan.

Tayjannyng talaby Saghadiyevting qúlaghyna jetipti. Degenmen, ministr bolghaly basyy daudan arylmay kele jatqan ministr Saghadiyev sózjarystan bas tartty.

"Tayjangha toqtalsaq... Búl mening funksiyama kirmeydi. Búl maghan qyzyq emes. Men onymen kezdespeymin", - dedi.

Esterinizde bolsa, Parlamentting tómengi palatasynyng otyrysyna kelip, esep bergen ministr Saghadiyev deputattardyng synynyng astynda qalghan edi. Mәjilis deputaty Bekbolat Tileuhan ministr Erlan Saghadiyevti ashyq debatqa shaqyrghan. Ol kezde Erlan Kenjeghaliyúly "lәm-miym" demegen.

Aytpaqshy, qazaq tilin biluge mindetti Erlan Saghadiyev "qazaq tilinde" saqausha sóileytinin sol kezde kórgen ek.

Sonymen, Ýkimetting mýshesi, BjGhM ministri Elan Saghadiyev Memlekettik sayasat pen jeke bastyng mәselelerin shatastyryp jýrgen joq pa?  Nemese Ministr Saghadiyev ashyq sózjarystan nege qashty? Bilim salasyndaghy dauly mәselelerdi jariyaly týrde talqylaugha ministr Saghadiyevting sózdik qory jetpey me?

Jeke qarym-qatynas pen memlekettik mindetti shatastyrugha bolmaydy!

Ámirjan Qosanov: sayasatker:

-Ózi jýrgizip otyrghan sayasatty meylinshe nasihattau, onyng ekiúshty tústaryn qalyng júrtshylyqqa týsindiru, kerek bolsa, tiyisti dәlelderin keltirip, óz synshylaryna layyqty toytarys beru – kez kelgen ministrding tól mindeti. Halyqtyng salyghynyng arqasynda jalaqy alyp otyrghan shendiler el aldynda jýieli týrde esep berip, júrtpen jýzdesip túruy – zaman talaby.

Debat bolsa, sol mindetti útymdy әri tiyimdi atqarudyng zamanauy әri tanymal formasy. Odan qashudyng keregi joq. Onyng ýstine bilim beru men ghylym salasynda qordalanyp qalghan problemalar shash etekten. Ony ministr myrza bilui kerek!

Ásirese, múghalimderding mәrtebesi, ýsh túghyrly tilding bir qaynauy ishindegi konsepsiyasy, naqty pәnderdi oqytu, bastauysh klastardaghy «әlippe» sekildi mәseleler eldi qatty tolghandyruda!

Osy saualdar tónireginde ministr kýni-týni teledidardan týspey, jarghaq qúlaghy jastyqqa tiymey, aqparattyq júmys jasauy tiyis emes pe?! Áriyne, ministrding jeke azamattargha degen óz kózqarasy boluy mýmkin.

Bireudi únatar, bireudi jaratpas. Biraq, jeke qarym-qatynas pen memlekettik mindetti shatastyrugha bolmaydy! Naqty adamdy únatpasa, basqa bireulermen shyqsyn ashyq debatqa! Odan esh jeri qisayyp ketpeydi. Kerisinshe, memlekettik sayasatty elge taghy da bir úghyndyrar edi.

Nәtiyjesinde ministrding óz bedeli ghana emes, jalpy sheneunik ataulynyng abyroyy arta týser edi.

Saghadiyev kim: er me әlde ez be?

Aydos Sarym, sayasatker:

-Mening oiymsha, bilim ministri Erlan Saghadiyevting qogham ókilderimen kezdesuden jaltaruy, ashyq pikirtalastan qorqyp, ony "qyzyqsyz" dep tabuy - óreskel qatelik. Sebebi ony debatqa shaqyryp jatqan Múhtar Tayjan, Bekbolat Tileuhan siyaqty azamattar oghan erikkennen tiyisip jatqan joq. Últymyzdyng bolmysy men bolashaghyna alandaghandyqtan, Saghadiyev jýrgizip jatqan reformalardy kýdikti, últ ýshin qauipti dep tapqandyqtan mәsele kóterip otyr.

Ministrding "maghan keregi joq", "maghan qyzyqsyz" deuge esh qisyn, esh sebep joq dep oilaymyn.

Ony debatqa shaqyryp jatqandar onyng jeke basyna qatysty tiyisip jatqan joq. Memlekettik sayasatqa qatysty asa kýrdeli, manyzdy súraqtardy qoyyp otyr. Sol súraqtargha jauap beru, qogham arasyndaghy kýdikti seyiltu - ministrding mindeti men paryzy.

Mysaly, jaqynda densaulyq saqtau ministri Eljan Birtanov ekonomist, sarapshy Raqym Oshaqbaevpen ashyq teledebatqa shyqty, qoryqpady.

Odan ministrding basynghady tәji, astyndaghy taghy synyp qalghan joq. Kerisinshe, ministrlikting ashyqtyghyn, qoghammen qoyan-qoltyq júmys isteuge degen dayyndyghyn kórsetti.

Saghadiyev - qúday emes, payghambardyng ýmbeti de emes. Qarapayym ghana, etpen-sýiekten jaralghan adam, el azamaty. Onyng ministr boluy oghan jauapkershilikten basqa eshtene jýktep jatqan joq.

Saghadiyev kim: er me әlde ez be? Jigit pe әlde migit pe? Osy súraqqa jauap onyng debatqa shyghu-shyqpauyna tikeley baylanysty dep sanaymyn.

Men Ministrdi kofe ishuge shaqyrghan joqpyn!

Múhtar Tayjan, sayasatker:

-Ýkimet mýshesi óz reformalaryn jariya týrde dәleldeuge dayyn boluy mindetti. Eger oghan dayyn emes bolsa, ol reforma eshqanday syngha jaramaydy degen sóz. Saghadiyevting debattan qashatynyn men keshe-aq belgenmin. Demek, ol ózining absurdty reformalaryn qorghay almaydy.

Men ministrden ne týrli jauap kýtkenimmen, "Maghan qyzyq emes" degen jauap alamyn dep oilamappyn.

Qyzyq emesi qalay? Men ony kofe ishuge shaqyryp otyrghanym joq. Búl taqyryp oghan qyzyq emes bolsa, bizge qyzyq. Búl bizding balalarymyzgha jasalyp otyrghan tәjirbiye. Byltyrghy jylghy mitingter de sol talqylanbay jasalghan isting aqyry edi.

Endi Bilim salasyndaghy reformany talqylaghysy kelmeydi eken. 

Bizdi jabayy "naspat" qylyp kórsetkisi keledi. Biz ashyq demokratiyalyq proseduralargha, debattargha dayynbyz. Al "aghylshyn tildi" damyp ketken ministrler talqylaudan qashady. Sonda kim liyberal, al kim retrograd?

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