Gýljan ERGhALIYEVA: Shyndyqtan qoryqpaghanda, jalanashtanudan da qoryqpaymyn
Bәse, biz biletin Erghaliyeva eleusiz jatpasa kerek. Sýiikti gazetin milliondaghan dollargha satqannan keyin, ishi pysyp, isterge is, úrynargha qara tappady ma, әiteuir ótken júmadaghy aqparat kenistiginde bolghan janalyqtyng «aytulysy» jurnalist Gýljan Erghalivanyng ýstindegi lypasyn týgel laqtyryp, anadan jana tughanday jalanashtanuy boldy. «Ádemi ótirikten jalanash shyndyq artyq» degen saytyn jarnamalau ýshin ol osynday qadamgha bardy. Ózim qalay jalanashtansam, shyndyqty da solay jalanash kórsetem degendegisi. Jigitter jalanash Erghaliyevany kórip mәz boldy, oranghan qyzdar «shaytan» dep shabyndy, órkeniyetti kózqarastaghylary syry da, syny da ketpegen mýsinge «әdemi» dep sýisindi. Ne kerek, qansha adam bolsa, sonsha pikirding týiini tarqatyluda. Bet qattalyp jatqanda, ózin talqygha salyp, týrli adamdardyng tóreligin estip jatqan «tәrtip» búzghan tәtemizdi az-maz әngimege tarttyq.
Bәse, biz biletin Erghaliyeva eleusiz jatpasa kerek. Sýiikti gazetin milliondaghan dollargha satqannan keyin, ishi pysyp, isterge is, úrynargha qara tappady ma, әiteuir ótken júmadaghy aqparat kenistiginde bolghan janalyqtyng «aytulysy» jurnalist Gýljan Erghalivanyng ýstindegi lypasyn týgel laqtyryp, anadan jana tughanday jalanashtanuy boldy. «Ádemi ótirikten jalanash shyndyq artyq» degen saytyn jarnamalau ýshin ol osynday qadamgha bardy. Ózim qalay jalanashtansam, shyndyqty da solay jalanash kórsetem degendegisi. Jigitter jalanash Erghaliyevany kórip mәz boldy, oranghan qyzdar «shaytan» dep shabyndy, órkeniyetti kózqarastaghylary syry da, syny da ketpegen mýsinge «әdemi» dep sýisindi. Ne kerek, qansha adam bolsa, sonsha pikirding týiini tarqatyluda. Bet qattalyp jatqanda, ózin talqygha salyp, týrli adamdardyng tóreligin estip jatqan «tәrtip» búzghan tәtemizdi az-maz әngimege tarttyq.
- Gýljan, qazaqtyng úghymynda «shyndyqty jalanashtap aitty» dep beyneli týrde qoldanghanymen, negizinde aqiqat jalghyz bolady. Shyndyqty sheshindiruinizge ne sebep?
- Shyndyq әr týrli bolady jәne әrkimning óz shyndyghy bar. Al mening shyndyghym, shynynda da, jalanash. Shyndyqtyng betin boyap, opa jaghyp, dalap jaghyp, әrlemey, ýstine әdemi kóilek kiygizbey-aq, ózi qanday bolsa, sol kýiinde aitu. Shyndyqtyng búrmalanbaghan, boyau jaghylmaghan, sayasilanbaghan, moralidan ada bastapqy qalpyn kórsetu. Klip sondyqtan da «Ádemi kiyingen ótirikten jalanash shyndyq artyq» dep atalady. Biz, jurnalister, shyndyqty qalay jaza almay kele jatsaq, qogham da shyndyqty qabyldaugha dәl solay qúlyqsyz jәne qorqaq. Shyndyqty jetkizudi de, qabyldaudy da ýirene almay kelemiz.
- Shyndyqty da sheshindirip, óziniz de sheshinip... Sayttardyng beti toly sizding jalanash beyneniz. Anadan jana tughanday sheshinu ózinizding iydeyanyz ba?
- Áriyne, eger búl mening óz iydeyam bolmasa, men kelispegen bolar edim. Osylay boluyn ózim oilastyrdym jәne solay bolyp shyqty da. Meninshe, rolik iydeyasy óte týsinikti dep oilaymyn.
- Sheshinuden qoryqqan joqsyz ba?
- Joq. Óitkeni shyndyqtan qalay qoryqpasam, jalanashtanudan solay qoryqpaymyn. Búl jerde ekeuin bir-aq maghynada alyp túrmyn. Shyndyqty aitu ýshin jýrek kerek, ruh kerek, sheshinu ýshin de solay.
- Jas emessiz, shynymen rolikke óziniz týstiniz be, әlde dubler oryndady ma?
- Keshiriniz, saualynyz óte orynsyz. Mәsele sonda ma? Siz rolikting maghynasyna qarasanyzshy. Men shyndyqtan qoryqpaymyn, shyndyqtyng qalay aitylatynyn kórsetip túrgham joq pa?
- Qazir sizdi qazaqtildi sayttar men oqyrmandar qatty qaralap, synap jatyr. Qalay qabyldap jatyrsyz?
- Al men bәri aiyptap jatyr dep oilamaymyn. 60-70 payyzy qoldap, 30-40 payyzy ghana qarsylyqtaryn bildirip jatyr. Men, kerisinshe, 60-70 payyz qarsylyq kýtip em, olay bolmady. Mening ne aitqymnyng kelgenin halyq týsindi, qúdaygha shýkir, biz HÝII, HÝIII ghasyrda, tipti HH ghasyrda da ómir sýrip otyrghan joqpyz, biz HHI ghasyrda tirshilik etemiz.
- Eger keshe «Kelin» filimining týte-týtesin shygharghanday, erteng Parlamentte deputattardyng biri minberge shyghyp alyp sizdi «úyatsyz» dese, ne deysiz?
- Eger mening ar-úyatymnyng tómendigin aityp jerlese, onda sol deputattyng ózining jeke ar-úyatynyng tómen bolghany. Búl әrkimning jeke individtik mәselesi. Al ony qabyldau әr adamnyng jeke basynyng mәdeniyetine, ojdan dengeyine, qoghamdy qabyldau óresine baylanysty.
- Sizding jaqyndarynyz, aitalyq, kýieuiniz qalay qabyldady?
- Eger men bir adamnyng qarsylyghyna, qaralauyna úshyrauym kerek bolsa, ol kýieuim boluy tiyis edi. Kerisinshe, ol meni qúptady, tipti qúttyqtady. «Sening minezine say óte sauatty, senimdi, estetikalyq biyik talghammen jasalghan», - dep baghalady. Eger mening әreketimdi kýieuim jazghyrmasa, onda kýstanalap jatqan basqa erkekter auyzdaryn japsyn.
- «Qayran, Hamit agha kórse ne bolar edi?» dep jatyr myna júrt...
- Aynalayyn, mening jaularym kóp, óte kóp, sondyqtan olardyng aitugha, aiyptaugha haqysy bar. Ákemning de jaulary kóp bolghan, óitkeni ol sol kezenning ózinde tәuelsiz bolatyn, ashyq, birbetkey, shyndyqtyng kózine tura qarap sóileytin. Beretin jauabym - osy.
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